washington hatchery fisheries

mallard83 · Post by **mallard83** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:53 pm

gpc wrote:The reason why California doesnt have these problems is because all the big bass in Cali are Florida strain LM, not the tiny northern strain LM that make up the population of all the upper states. I guess you can say warm weather= big bass. Also california's trout fishery, and salmon and steel head for that matter, isnt even comparable to WA trout/salmon/steelhead fishery. So I dont know if there is a magic solution to make WA a huge bass fishery, as long as our salmon and steelhead populations are in jeopardy, there isnt going to be room to worry about the bass population, and now that they introduced tiger musky, thats just one more thing that has been placed ahead of the bass fishery. Cold water species (trout) thrive in colder climates (WA state) and warm water species (bass) thrive in warmer climates (So. cal - Florida). So I doubt there will ever be any 20 lbers taken from Washington waters, but there are enough 8lb - 10lb to keep anybody interested.

I agree with gpc about the fact that Washington state pays more attention to the steelhead/salmon than the bass, but NOT ENOUGH more. In my opinion the bass are lucky to have any attention at all from the wdfw, and all of the hardcore washington bassers should appreciate that. Don't get me wrong I love bass fishing a lot, I go most every chance I get in the spring, summer, and fall. I just feel that before the state does any enhancement on non native species, they need to focus their efforts on the native fish that have always been here so that these fish will always be here. Some of these runs of fish are so unbelievably depleted that it is amazing they are still around. Heck, there are actually a lot of places that used to have salmon and steelhead runs that don't anymore. I am not saying that there should be no funding for warm water species in the future I am just saying that they should put the money towards all of the native species that are in jeopardy at the moment. There is a book that I highly recommend for any one, even if you do not live in Snohomish county it is an extremely good read. The book is "Snohomish My Beloved County, an anglers anthology" by Bob Heirman who is the president of the Snohomish Sportsman Club. He speaks of how fishing and fish runs in Snohomish County were back in the early to mid 1900's compared to the time the book was printed in 1993. It will blow your mind on how much damage to our native fish stock has been done. He also speeks of his various fishing adventures around the county. Hope my insight on things has opened some of the eyes of all you "angry bassers":-({|= out there and you realize that the wdfw is doing even more than they have to for our warm water fisheries. Now lets all cheer up and get along.:bom:

YellowBear · Post by **YellowBear** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:11 am

In the early 80s all of the Bass clubs in Washington State asked for a warm water hatchery.The WDFW said they did not have the funds for such a project. The Bass boys got together and proposed a $5.00 Spiny Ray Stamp.
We had to pay an extra five bucks to fish for Bass.This money was to go to the warm water enhancment project.We were told that the hatchery would be at Ring gold. Bass were recoverd from Silver lake in Spokane county and trucked South to stock the ponds at this facility. After four years they decided to put all of the money in the general fund. As for the Spiny Ray Tag,this turned into the user stamp that we have now. This money has been used for everything except the Warm water enhancment project. It has been used to develope the Tiger Trout , Triploids, Lahotions and the Tiger Musky projects. Some of it has been used to build Docks and Ramps in Western Washington. Some of it has gone to purchase land that can't be used because its land locked. No access.
If you are a person that likes the Trout then you should be thanking every Bass angler in this State for the opportunites that you have. If you are a Basser you need to just suck it up.

Bigbass Dez · Post by **Bigbass Dez** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:23 am

YellowBear wrote:In the early 80s all of the Bass clubs in Washington State asked for a warm water hatchery.The WDFW said they did not have the funds for such a project. The Bass boys got together and proposed a $5.00 Spiny Ray Stamp.
We had to pay an extra five bucks to fish for Bass.This money was to go to the warm water enhancment project.We were told that the hatchery would be at Ring gold. Bass were recoverd from Silver lake in Spokane county and trucked South to stock the ponds at this facility. After four years they decided to put all of the money in the general fund. As for the Spiny Ray Tag,this turned into the user stamp that we have now. This money has been used for everything except the Warm water enhancment project. It has been used to develope the Tiger Trout , Triploids, Lahotions and the Tiger Musky projects. Some of it has been used to build Docks and Ramps in Western Washington. Some of it has gone to purchase land that can't be used because its land locked. No access.
If you are a person that likes the Trout then you should be thanking every Bass angler in this State for the opportunites that you have. If you are a Basser you need to just suck it up.

hey YellowBear question .. whats the deal with Silver Lake in (cowlitz county) I see many pics of nice bass in this lake is that due to the location ? , did the state make this a good bass fishery or did good ol mother nature do her part in making those bass nice and heathly ? my fishing bud map quest the lake ad it's like two hours from bothell ..whats going on down there because im ready to make a trip , it seems very worthy of my gas $ ...any ideal ..BBD

tnj8222 · Post by **tnj8222** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:53 am

dez i fish silver in cowlitz all the time. to put it simple its a perfect bass lake. its shallow (max depth is 12 feet) has a abundance of lillys, and the perfect amount of food to make thos bass grow fast. since the lake is so shallow it warms very fast and stays warm till later in the fall. like i said i fish it alot!! almost every weekend. if you ever want a tour i know the lake like the back of my hand. i dont know if you have ever heard of Roger (exbassguide is his handle on many forums) but he made a awesome map of some really good spots to fish. if you want it i need a email addy to shoot it to. the water is super muddy. so our clear water rules dont apply at all. the fish will never see you and noise just isnt a huge factor. you can use braided line without the problems of line visibility. (which you will need to hog those suckers out of them lillys) i have a ton of info im willing to share with people like you. as i know you wont keep a 5 pound bass.

Bigbass Dez · Post by **Bigbass Dez** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:31 pm

tnj8222 wrote:dez i fish silver in cowlitz all the time. to put it simple its a perfect bass lake. its shallow (max depth is 12 feet) has a abundance of lillys, and the perfect amount of food to make thos bass grow fast. since the lake is so shallow it warms very fast and stays warm till later in the fall. like i said i fish it alot!! almost every weekend. if you ever want a tour i know the lake like the back of my hand. i dont know if you have ever heard of Roger (exbassguide is his handle on many forums) but he made a awesome map of some really good spots to fish. if you want it i need a email addy to shoot it to. the water is super muddy. so our clear water rules dont apply at all. the fish will never see you and noise just isnt a huge factor. you can use braided line without the problems of line visibility. (which you will need to hog those suckers out of them lillys) i have a ton of info im willing to share with people like you. as i know you wont keep a 5 pound bass.

ARE YOU MY SOUL MATE ? lol dude ill send a e-mail good deal ..

gpc · Post by **gpc** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:40 pm

YellowBear wrote:In the early 80s all of the Bass clubs in Washington State asked for a warm water hatchery.The WDFW said they did not have the funds for such a project. The Bass boys got together and proposed a $5.00 Spiny Ray Stamp.
We had to pay an extra five bucks to fish for Bass.This money was to go to the warm water enhancment project.We were told that the hatchery would be at Ring gold. Bass were recoverd from Silver lake in Spokane county and trucked South to stock the ponds at this facility. After four years they decided to put all of the money in the general fund. As for the Spiny Ray Tag,this turned into the user stamp that we have now. This money has been used for everything except the Warm water enhancment project. It has been used to develope the Tiger Trout , Triploids, Lahotions and the Tiger Musky projects. Some of it has been used to build Docks and Ramps in Western Washington. Some of it has gone to purchase land that can't be used because its land locked. No access.
If you are a person that likes the Trout then you should be thanking every Bass angler in this State for the opportunites that you have. If you are a Basser you need to just suck it up.

That figures, they always raise money that mysteriously goes somewhere else and that is really too bad and falls under the guidelines of false advertisement, in my eyes anyway. But I heard that they are going to up the licence price another $5 for a trout enhancement program. Have you heard of this? I liked the idea when I first heard of it. If I can catch another 10 trout per year for $5 thats only $.50 a fish, not too bad when its all said and done. But if they do the same thing they did with the other $5 mark up, who knows where are money will go.

Derrick-k · Post by **Derrick-k** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:39 pm

tnj8222 wrote:dez i fish silver in cowlitz all the time. to put it simple its a perfect bass lake. its shallow (max depth is 12 feet) has a abundance of lillys, and the perfect amount of food to make thos bass grow fast. since the lake is so shallow it warms very fast and stays warm till later in the fall. like i said i fish it alot!! almost every weekend. if you ever want a tour i know the lake like the back of my hand. i dont know if you have ever heard of Roger (exbassguide is his handle on many forums) but he made a awesome map of some really good spots to fish. if you want it i need a email addy to shoot it to. the water is super muddy. so our clear water rules dont apply at all. the fish will never see you and noise just isnt a huge factor. you can use braided line without the problems of line visibility. (which you will need to hog those suckers out of them lillys) i have a ton of info im willing to share with people like you. as i know you wont keep a 5 pound bass.

I fished there once with my dad, we tryed for trout early in the mourning and got 10, kept 5 nothing under a pound. Then we fihed of bottom and got two 2-3# cat's off night crawler. tryed bobber and worm and got a cupple crappie. Released all warm water species, and saw one guy who said he caught a 5lb bass. prefect example of a fisherie where many species can thrive, all the trout where planted, but all where good eating. Great lake Would fish it more if I lived closer.

YellowBear · Post by **YellowBear** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:27 am

dez, I have never been down to Silver in Cowlitz county so I can't help you there.
I can tell you that over the years Silver lake in Cowlitz has been a big fish lake.
We used to hear about lots of 8s and 9 lb Bass that were caught down there.
Now it seems that 5 and 6 lbers are commen with a few in the 7 or 8 lb range.

gpc, what I am hearing about the Trout Stamp at this time is that they want to raise the liscense fee $5.00.
This means that everyone that buys a liscense will be supporting the Trout enhancment project even if you don't fish for Trout. I think it should be set up like the old Stamp. If you are going after Trout then you need to buy one.
Being fourced to buy one just isen't fare. I also feel that this money would not go to Trout enhancment but some other projects that seem to be looming on our horizons.

A recent survey done by Southwick and Associates was recently completed.
Among other questions, they asked which freshwater species do anglers fish for most.
With over 11,000 responses they came up with these results.

Largemouth Bass 60.4%
Panfish 34.3%
Smallmouth 27.2%
Trout 20.9%
Catfish 19.5%

tnj8222 · Post by **tnj8222** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:47 am

yup i agree with thos results yellowbear. its been pretty well known that lm bass fishers are the majority. just not here in washington and oregon.

i also agree that 10 years ago silver was better than it is now. but dont let that discourage anybody it is still a awesome fishery

gpc · Post by **gpc** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:02 am

Yellowbear, I guess I kind of jumped to conclusions and was inconsiderate. I thought the trout stamp was a great idea. However I didnt take into consideration all the anglers who dont fish for trout that will still have to pay the extra $5. But hopefully this "trout stamp" will benefit the whole fishing community, kind of like the warm water stamp, and how it was scattered about. It seems that there was a lot of money spent on trout, from the warm water stamp, so it would only be fair to put some of the proceeds from the trout stamp towards warmwater fishing. Lets hope

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