washington hatchery fisheries

beerman1981 · Post by **beerman1981** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:24 pm

Holy smokes,

Is it just me, or did it start to get a little heated in here. I don't think that killing off any lake is a good idea, unless weeds choke the lake, and in turn bring the O2 levels of the lake to a dangerous level for the fish. As stated, some lakes are going to thrive better than other lakes when it comes to certain species. However, I have also fished quite a few lakes where I have caught both trout and bass, and they were co existing well together. If for some reason trout are introduced to a bass lake, and in turn do not thrive in that lake, then perhaps that's just mother nature's way of saying "hey, this is a bass lake, leave the trout out of here." I have the same sentiment towards a trout lake being stocked with bass. If the bass don't do well, it wasn't meant to be a bass lake. But in no situation do I believe it is right to kill off a completely decent lake, for the sole purpose of reintroducing one species of fish. What about the other populations that are already thriving in that body of water? Unfortunately, as panfisherman, it seems that trout get a lot more credit and respect in Washington than bass do. As he pointed out, I have heard of ponds being completely killed off, for the reintroduction of trout. What about the nice bass in there. I think bass get less respect than trout when it comes to decisions and politics like this.

As for trout fishing being only for kids, I am insulted. I love bass fishing and I love trout fishing, and I'd like to think I'm successfull at both. I like to trout fish if I want a really layed back day -- sitting in a lawn chair with a pole in one hand and a cold beer in the other. If I'm in the mood for something faster paced and more of a challenge, it's all about bass -- switching lures, casting, and covering more area. But no, trout fishing isn't for kids. I know some old timers that live to trout fish, and would be appalled to hear such a comment. Come on people, lets think before we speak on this website. It's great to disagree and debate, but blunt pointed comments such as these are uncalled for!

bpm2000 · Post by **bpm2000** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:07 pm

well said beerman, there is room for different species, and limiting yourself is just a plain waste.

Kenster · Post by **Kenster** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:39 pm

i made the edit! sorry.

Bigbass Dez · Post by **Bigbass Dez** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:55 pm

but how comee everyone always thinks that it is such a crime to kill a bass. For that matter have any of you cut open a bass's stomach before? I've seen up to 6in trout in there.

I would like to take this comment of yours and really let you have it , but im better than that .. instead i pray that you will someday have a change of heart .... i feel really bad that you think the way you do about fish in general .. when you have kids someday i hope you dont say things like this to them .. im sorry about the things i said before , you made me angry !! so i will leave you with this .. allow mother nature to take care of itself and allow life to take care of you ....BBD

Kenster · Post by **Kenster** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:14 pm

BBD im lost, and now confused...who are you talkin' to, or what are you talkin' about?

beerman1981 · Post by **beerman1981** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:31 am

Bigbass Dez wrote:but how comee everyone always thinks that it is such a crime to kill a bass. For that matter have any of you cut open a bass's stomach before? I've seen up to 6in trout in there.

I would like to take this comment of yours and really let you have it , but im better than that .. instead i pray that you will someday have a change of heart .... i feel really bad that you think the way you do about fish in general .. when you have kids someday i hope you dont say things like this to them .. im sorry about the things i said before , you made me angry !! so i will leave you with this .. allow mother nature to take care of itself and allow life to take care of you ....BBD

I think the first paragraph was in response to one of the comments on this thread, but that comment no longer seems to be in this thread anymore... hmmmm. I'm confused too.

Bigbass Dez · Post by **Bigbass Dez** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:21 pm

i was talking to Derrick k comment he posted on page 1 7/13/07 ...Dude im so done with the thread !! the first pargraph was his comment ...

beerman1981 · Post by **beerman1981** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:37 pm

Bigbass Dez wrote:i was talking to Derrick k comment he posted on page 1 7/13/07 ...Dude im so done with the thread !! the first pargraph was his comment ...

Gotcha! Sorry I didn't pick up on that initially.

iPodrodder · Post by **iPodrodder** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:18 pm

But I agree, why does everyone think that it is a crime to kill a bass? I get catch and release, but why the mass hysteria when someone keeps one? Not trying to offend anyone, but I feel like I am on the outside looking in.

Derrick-k · Post by **Derrick-k** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:02 am

iPodrodder wrote:But I agree, why does everyone think that it is a crime to kill a bass? I get catch and release, but why the mass hysteria when someone keeps one? Not trying to offend anyone, but I feel like I am on the outside looking in.

Thank you iPodroder that's what I have been geting at, If you like to catch and release then just keep your personal opinion to your self, and unless someone is breaking the reg's, then don't be mad at them for keeping fish within the law. I will make the edit and I apologize for what I have said.

Derrick-k · Post by **Derrick-k** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:10 am

Kenster wrote:even if i caught a bass and gilled him to the point of no return i would fillet him too! i fish for sport, but will eat not to waste.

That is a good idea thank you.

tnj8222 · Post by **tnj8222** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:07 am

its just a common thing to release bass. THEY DO NOT PLANT BASS LIKE TROUT! thats the reason people get mad if you dont release them. i am all for eating small bass, but never keep big bass. the comment about keeping your thoughts to yourself, well we are on a internet forum where you are supposed to submit your opinions and views on the current subject. thats how we all learn from one another. people who keep bass are also the reason why fisheries go downhill.

YellowBear · Post by **YellowBear** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:18 am

People who keep Bass are also the reason why fisheries go downhill.
I take exception to this statement.

If the Bass boys want better fisheries then ask the WDFW what happened to our Hatchery? that we where supposed to get 25 years ago. Ask them why the Ring gold Hatchery has not raised a single fish?Ask them where all the money has gone that you and I are still paying for this Hatchery? Ask them why we are paying so much for there Trout experiments such as Tiger Trout, Triploids and other hybrids that they are playing with? Ask them why they are not controlling the exotic bird populations? Ask them why we are paying to introduce another large predator to Washington waters?
As long as we as fisherman keep arguing with each other nothing will change.We all need to unite as one group and hold our beloved WDFW responsible for there actions.

Derrick-k · Post by **Derrick-k** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:31 pm

We do need to kill some comerant's who eat trout bass and salmon somlt's alike.

Claifornia sea lion's are constantly eating salmon and steel head and also comeing up the columbia river! Why dosn't the state realize that they are not so endangered?

Bigbass Dez · Post by **Bigbass Dez** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:02 pm

I have a few simple question too anyone here .... WHAT WOULD KILLING A BASS OR TAKING HOME MORE LITTLE BASS "REALLY" DO TOO THE FISHERIES HERE IN " WESTEREN WASHINGTON" ? save more trout ? increase bigger bass ? derrick -k and i have manage to resolve our differences like gentlemen , so this has nothing to do with him directly .. but i just dont get it ! on opening day here how many people are at the lakes ? over a hundred .. how many are there for trout ? 95 of them ..why is so hard to protect LMB in this state like we do trout ? the state doesnt care , most trout fishermen dont care , but the few guys who truly honor and respect bass get noooo love ..im defencive on this topic because i feel like it's a shame to have so many lake around us that dont provide better numbers and bigger sizes of bass .. will there ever be a possibilty that the LMB OR SMB state record be broken over on this side of the mountian ? ooooo i guess i should be fine with the fact that i need to drive more than 2 hours to fish a lunker bass lake .. trout fisherman can walk down to a lake and set the set new state record at any giving moment ... so when ever i here complaints like this it just reminds me of a lil respest B.A.S.S. means to washington .. boy im sure glad luke clausen won the classic or should i say im gald he lives in easteren washington were they dont have these issuies!!!...BBD

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gpc · Post by **gpc** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:30 pm

Actually trout fisherman have to deal with the same thing. Yeah there are trout lakes on the west side, but in order to catch a state record you have to go to the east side. The rainbow trout state record is 20 plus pounds. If you were to even come close to catching a trout of that size on the west side they would claim it to be a steelhead. And I like bass fishing, its not my favorite species to target, but I do like catching bass, but like you said 95% of anglers on opening day are trout fisherman, and as a general rule there are more trout fisherman in this state wich means more money being spent on trout and trout fishing accessories. Not too long ago the state bumped the fishing licence up $5 for a warm water enhancement program, or something down those lines, so we are paying for something. But when you lay it all out on the table and look at the facts, WA state is a state made for bass, the harsh weather cant really support that big of or healthy population of bass. Not to mention there arnt any Florida strain largemouth up here, and thats about the only way to support a large population of 10lb plus largemouth. There are big bass out there, you just need to look a little harder.

Bigbass Dez · Post by **Bigbass Dez** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:02 pm

gpc wrote:Actually trout fisherman have to deal with the same thing. Yeah there are trout lakes on the west side, but in order to catch a state record you have to go to the east side. The rainbow trout state record is 20 plus pounds. If you were to even come close to catching a trout of that size on the west side they would claim it to be a steelhead. And I like bass fishing, its not my favorite species to target, but I do like catching bass, but like you said 95% of anglers on opening day are trout fisherman, and as a general rule there are more trout fisherman in this state wich means more money being spent on trout and trout fishing accessories. Not too long ago the state bumped the fishing licence up $5 for a warm water enhancement program, or something down those lines, so we are paying for something. But when you lay it all out on the table and look at the facts, WA state is a state made for bass, the harsh weather cant really support that big of or healthy population of bass. Not to mention there arnt any Florida strain largemouth up here, and thats about the only way to support a large population of 10lb plus largemouth. There are big bass out there, you just need to look a little harder.

okay fine then explain why California doesn't have these problems , they also have highland and canyon type lakes that are flooded with trout and there bass populution is comparable to Florida fishiers ? what are they doing different to keep more lakes consitant with good bass populations .. and i need not to mention the new state record smally from a lake that is not even concidered the best bass fishery lake that the state offers ..even the guy who caught that fish said that 15 years ago the lake was dead for good smallys .. WHATS THE MAGIC SOLUTIONS ?

gpc · Post by **gpc** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:59 pm

The reason why California doesnt have these problems is because all the big bass in Cali are Florida strain LM, not the tiny northern strain LM that make up the population of all the upper states. I guess you can say warm weather= big bass. Also california's trout fishery, and salmon and steel head for that matter, isnt even comparable to WA trout/salmon/steelhead fishery. So I dont know if there is a magic solution to make WA a huge bass fishery, as long as our salmon and steelhead populations are in jeopardy, there isnt going to be room to worry about the bass population, and now that they introduced tiger musky, thats just one more thing that has been placed ahead of the bass fishery. Cold water species (trout) thrive in colder climates (WA state) and warm water species (bass) thrive in warmer climates (So. cal - Florida). So I doubt there will ever be any 20 lbers taken from Washington waters, but there are enough 8lb - 10lb to keep anybody interested.

Bigbass Dez · Post by **Bigbass Dez** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:22 pm

gpc wrote:The reason why California doesnt have these problems is because all the big bass in Cali are Florida strain LM, not the tiny northern strain LM that make up the population of all the upper states. I guess you can say warm weather= big bass. Also california's trout fishery, and salmon and steel head for that matter, isnt even comparable to WA trout/salmon/steelhead fishery. So I dont know if there is a magic solution to make WA a huge bass fishery, as long as our salmon and steelhead populations are in jeopardy, there isnt going to be room to worry about the bass population, and now that they introduced tiger musky, thats just one more thing that has been placed ahead of the bass fishery. Cold water species (trout) thrive in colder climates (WA state) and warm water species (bass) thrive in warmer climates (So. cal - Florida). So I doubt there will ever be any 20 lbers taken from Washington waters, but there are enough 8lb - 10lb to keep anybody interested.

HMMMM i see , thats interesting im new to the west coast and i would have never guess that cali has florida strain Bass , the whole climate senario makes since as well . you know what GPC ? im man enough to say I SEE YOUR POINT .. I guess just have to deal with those pesty 8-10 pounders lol .. good thread i hope more basser from different states paid close attention to this thread because its very insightful and GPC make good sense of Bassin here washington .. (still sucks) lol

gpc · Post by **gpc** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:35 pm

Yeah I hate those tiny 10 lbers LOL. See me when I get a 3lber on I go nuts, yell NET at the top of my lungs, step on a pole or two, spill my beer you know the whole 9. It sounds like you are a little harder to please LOL. The good thing though compared to Cali, if you catch an 8lb bass, you are 12 or so pounds away from the record, catch an 8lb bass up here and you are only 4lbs away from the record. I guess thats one good way to look at it LOL. But good luck with that state record, and good luck on the water

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