Downrigger Braided line v Stainless steel cable???

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RE:Downrigger Braided line v Stainless steel cable???

Post by Anglinarcher » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:41 am

Interesting comments. I like how some are so sure of themselves, and others are so eager to consume whatever is fed to them.

I use a Cannon, always have and probably always will, so my comments are not directly applicable to all other units. I also use electrics now - got tired of cranking up balls.

First, how does your auto-stop work (you know this means Electric Downrigger don't you)? Mine stops when the mild positive ion field (electric current) is cut as the SS clears the water. If I replace the SS with braid then I must hold the up switch all of the way to retrieve the ball. If your system uses a similar design, then your up switch on your "Electric" downrigger will no longer be automatic. Is this a problem, well, only you can say.

Second, Blow Back is not what comes out of your back side, but it may be what comes out of his mouth. The correct answer is that Blow Back is the angle the ball "blows back" or drifts behind the boat as you troll. The amount is dependent on the speed you troll, the weight of the ball, the design of the ball, fresh verses salt water, and the type and diameter of your cable. There are tables that give you a guide and you can find most of this from the manufacture.

If you fish shallow, perhaps under 50', and slow, maybe under 2 mph, and use a 10+ # ball (sorry, I don't keep my charts on me so this is a swag), then your depth change due to blow back is minimal. But, if you are fishing at 150', trolling at 4 mph, with SS or a heavy diameter braid, you may actually be fishing only 130 or less feet deep when your counter measures 150'.

It is very true that SS cables have a whine or growl as you troll. Braids do not seem to have this. I can't tell you it does not make any difference, but I do believe you can compensate for it. The same is true for any transient electrical charge.

Let's start with electrical charge. If you use SS with an uncovered lead ball, you may leave a negative ion trail. Most so-called experts claim that this is a problem. Of course you can go with a "Black Box", or you can make sure your boat is properly grounded (negative battery post grounded to all exposed metal contacting the water) and use a coated ball (rubber or epoxy works well), or you can go to a braid. Alternately, you can just let your lure out more before you hook it to the ball. No ion trail last more then about 30 to 50 feet behind the ball, so if you let out 75' of line before you hook up then all is well. The choice is yours.

Now, noise. Letting your lure out more will allow super finicky fish to relax after the noise is past. Of course, braid has almost no noise, at least that we can hear, so this is an option. Here is the problem.

I only have one rigger, but I have had friends set up pretty much like I am. One of us always seems to be rigged with braid, and the other seems to always be using SS. We seem to change back and forth. Some days the fish seem to prefer the noise and charge the SS brings, while other days they seem to prefer the low noise and low charge of the braid. In an ideal world I would love to be able to change out quickly - fat chance.

For the record, my current position, subject to change at least twice a year, is that SS offers me more options. Nevertheless, both Braid and SS work, and both work well. The choice is up to you, and no matter which one you take, it will be the right one, at least part of the time.#-o :-"
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RE:Downrigger Braided line v Stainless steel cable???

Post by mav186 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:24 am

Thank you AA for offering some REAL answers to some of the questions asked. I will be switching to braid this winter and will probley 'dip' my bare lead ball as well (I know what you're thinking...so stop it! lol)- Thanks again, Mav

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Post by Bodofish » Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:26 am

As usuall AA Thank you for the Blow Back. 12# Sorry about the Canons, let me know how the fishing is when they go south on you. I've owned a pair and never again.
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Post by G-Man » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:34 am

Just a quick note: If your fishing in the Sound with a bunch of boats around you, don't be dropping your gear back 75+' unless you like to have folks wave at you with one finger as they cut your line.

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Post by Bodofish » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:40 am

G-Man wrote:Just a quick note: If your fishing in the Sound with a bunch of boats around you, don't be dropping your gear back 75+' unless you like to have folks wave at you with one finger as they cut your line.
They do that? Really?............ I do that? Really.......... :-({|= :-" :compress:
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Post by Bodofish » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:48 am

G-Man wrote:Just a quick note: If your fishing in the Sound with a bunch of boats around you, don't be dropping your gear back 75+' unless you like to have folks wave at you with one finger as they cut your line.
I don't really thinks it's the cutting lines, it's more of the people being totally oblivious to those around them (Or they just don't care( sort of like plateau and bellevue drivers)). There always seems to be the one guy that has to zig zag through the pack of trollers. He usually has to replace a lot of gear........

My appologies to the listy's from swellvue and the plateau, I'm sure you're all very courtieous drivers. :bounce:
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Post by Anglinarcher » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:11 am

G-Man wrote:Just a quick note: If your fishing in the Sound with a bunch of boats around you, don't be dropping your gear back 75+' unless you like to have folks wave at you with one finger as they cut your line.
LOL, I don't like to fish that kind of crowd anyway. I fish to relax, and fishing with a couple hundred of my closest friends I have never met does not seem relaxing.

So, you guys (edited from you fools) really run boats and troll within 25 yards of each other? No wonder the crime rate is so high on your side of the mountain - like forcing too many rats into a small cage.#-o :-"
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Post by Anglinarcher » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:13 am

Bodofish wrote:As usuall AA Thank you for the Blow Back. 12# Sorry about the Canons, let me know how the fishing is when they go south on you. I've owned a pair and never again.
I guess we all use what works for us. I have never had a Cannon go bad, I have just updated.

If I have one go Bad, you will be the first one I will contact for advise on what to change to.#-o :^o
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RE:Downrigger Braided line v Stainless steel cable???

Post by hewesfisher » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:18 pm

Anglinarcher wrote:First, how does your auto-stop work (you know this means Electric Downrigger don't you)? Mine stops when the mild positive ion field (electric current) is cut as the SS clears the water. If I replace the SS with braid then I must hold the up switch all of the way to retrieve the ball. If your system uses a similar design, then your up switch on your "Electric" downrigger will no longer be automatic. Is this a problem, well, only you can say.
The Scotty doesn't rely on electrical current to trigger the auto stop, it's triggered by a plastic "button" attached to the line (which can be placed anywhere you want it to be) so it would work independently of the type of downrigger line used. I can see where use of braid would be counterproductive if the design of your downrigger relied on an electrical change in the ion field. Since I've only used Scotty's, I don't know how other electric downriggers trigger for the auto stop feature.
Anglinarcher wrote:The correct answer is that Blow Back is the angle the ball "blows back" or drifts behind the boat as you troll. The amount is dependent on the speed you troll, the weight of the ball, the design of the ball, fresh verses salt water, and the type and diameter of your cable. There are tables that give you a guide and you can find most of this from the manufacture.
Where would I find these useful charts? They sound like something worth having. Do you track your dowrigger balls on your sonar? I haven't tried that yet, but I think that would be another way to adjust for blowback. Maybe I'll try that next time we're out and using the DRs. :bball:
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RE:Downrigger Braided line v Stainless steel cable???

Post by G-Man » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:38 pm

Best method is to track the ball on your sonar, no calculations required! If you have a dual frequency unit use the wider cone if you find that your not picking up the ball, it'll show up as a solid line on the screen.

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RE:Downrigger Braided line v Stainless steel cable???

Post by Anglinarcher » Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:15 pm

hewesfisher wrote:
Anglinarcher wrote:First, how does your auto-stop work (you know this means Electric Downrigger don't you)? Mine stops when the mild positive ion field (electric current) is cut as the SS clears the water. If I replace the SS with braid then I must hold the up switch all of the way to retrieve the ball. If your system uses a similar design, then your up switch on your "Electric" downrigger will no longer be automatic. Is this a problem, well, only you can say.
The Scotty doesn't rely on electrical current to trigger the auto stop, it's triggered by a plastic "button" attached to the line (which can be placed anywhere you want it to be) so it would work independently of the type of downrigger line used. I can see where use of braid would be counterproductive if the design of your downrigger relied on an electrical change in the ion field. Since I've only used Scotty's, I don't know how other electric downriggers trigger for the auto stop feature.
Anglinarcher wrote:The correct answer is that Blow Back is the angle the ball "blows back" or drifts behind the boat as you troll. The amount is dependent on the speed you troll, the weight of the ball, the design of the ball, fresh verses salt water, and the type and diameter of your cable. There are tables that give you a guide and you can find most of this from the manufacture.
Where would I find these useful charts? They sound like something worth having. Do you track your dowrigger balls on your sonar? I haven't tried that yet, but I think that would be another way to adjust for blowback. Maybe I'll try that next time we're out and using the DRs. :bball:
Cannon post charts in their manuals for their downriggers, and assuming you use something similar to their cable, it would work for any set-up. There are also trolling books that give all of that data.

I have my rigger set a little far forward to track the ball at shallow and slow speeds (narrow sonar cone angle and straight down) but when I go deep enough and fast enough, I do indeed track the ball with my sonar.
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