Educational Pike Video

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Educational Pike Video

Post by Mark K » Wed May 29, 2013 5:52 pm

WDFW made a "Spring tactics for Bass fishing in Washington" video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... _95wS6D-Pw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I thought this was a pretty awesome idea and went ahead and contacted them about possibly doing a "Spring Pike" video. To my surprise they LOVED the idea and in no time they teamed with our "National Pike Expert" Jason Conner from KNRD and started filming! Luckily spring was the perfect time to film this episode because all of the big fish congregate in shallow back water "sloughs". It's pretty cool the State and the Kalispel Tribe teamed up to do this. This is a great fishery and they are now sharing all of Jason Conners years of research and knowledge on a fail proof way to catch these fish in the spring!

The only down side is WDFW wanted to do this for free for us citizens that buy our fishing licenses, but KNRD comes at a price. To help restore our native cold water fisheries in this warm water habitat they elected to sell the "Educational" video. The final cost will be around $10,000,000.00, but all proceeds go straight to fighting off the Spokane Tribe in their attempt to build a Casino just miles from the Kalispels little monopoly in Airway Heights, WA!

Obviously I could not afford this, but a friend of mine who works for BPA purchased it and was able to grab me a screenshot of the magic "lure"!

Check it out!

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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by Natebg1 » Wed May 29, 2013 7:12 pm

Interesting Video,

However isn't that kind of Pike Lure Cheating? I don't think you are allowed to use those in tournaments. I wonder if you can use this Lure in the Rivers and Lakes when the Salmon are running? That would be GREAT! Talk about plentiful food for the Summer, Fall, and Winter and you wouldn't even have to cast a line, the lure does all the work for you. What an amazing thing to think how far technology has come to where we can crack a cold one throw this lure into a lake or river and the fish just magically appear! Oh here I go again, dreaming of what could be, but will never actually be reality. That's OK using this lure I mean net would just ruin the sport of fishing and take away from the actual skill of catching fish! Net's are for those that don't know how to fish, now I would love to see Mr. Connors and his crew catch the amount of Pike with a line and lure in comparison to a net, now that would be worth $10,000,0000.000 to watch. Talk about an interesting challenge, how many Pike can you catch in a year with a Line and Lure, I am game to watch it unfold! Good Luck!!! Let me know when you have caught the last Pike in the Pend Oreille and surrounding areas. I want to be present when the final fish has been laid to rest so I can pay my respects and shake the hand of the man that eliminated the Pike from Washington State! No worries, no rush on doing this I have plenty of time to wait while I fish and continue to live it up and enjoy the fisheries around us. Tight Lines, I mean Nets, no ahhhh never mind! ](*,)

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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by Mark K » Wed May 29, 2013 7:27 pm

Oh ya, I forgot to mention that. Don't you dare use this "lure" on trout, salmon, or steelhead! It's only meant for Pike. The hypocrites tend to frown on that...

Pike net=good
Trout net=poacher

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/a ... -poachers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by kevinb » Thu May 30, 2013 7:17 am

Can I troll with this lure? This lure is used on certain days & stretches of the Puyallup River....just remember it has to be barbless!

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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by Mark K » Thu May 30, 2013 7:46 pm

No, we don't "troll" with this lure. We "trawl" with it. Yes, this also would be a very effective method. Maybe our "Pike expert" will begin using this method in the summer months. It would make them much more rounded "fisherman" if they employ multiple techniques.

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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by oneshot » Thu May 30, 2013 8:07 pm

cool bass'n video! :)

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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by AJ's Dad » Fri May 31, 2013 5:46 am

kevinb wrote:Can I troll with this lure? This lure is used on certain days & stretches of the Puyallup River....just remember it has to be barbless!
Barbless??? I think you mean knotless. This has to be a knotless gill net so it won't damage the delicate slippery slimey covering on the pike. We want them to be in perfect shape when they are piled up on the bank by the truck loads to ROT and STINK!

At one point, a bounty on pike was being discussed. I guess they thought it would be too expensive to do that. I'll bet they could make it happen if the bounty was paid out in chips at Northern Quest. $X in chips for each dead pike turned in at a pay station.
Who knows, maybe some day you will be able to walk up to a slot machine, slide in a dead pike and watch the credits roll up! The bigger the pike, the more credits you get.

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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by Lucius » Fri May 31, 2013 7:57 am

Actually, you can catch even more fish on those lures if you added more hooks to them. Put a little bait on the end and whala more fish....how much do one of those things cost, does anybody know?

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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by Lucius » Fri May 31, 2013 8:08 am

Well apparently this new lure is amazing because it out fishes everything. I know some folks caught a 29lb pike with it early this year, yet other folks can only manage a 30 incher via other methods....

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/m ... s-1k-pike/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by Lucius » Fri May 31, 2013 8:37 am

Hey do you guys remember when they were saying they wanted to reduce the population by 87% or 5700 pike.....meaning they believed there were only 6552 pike in the Pend Oreille river....um....opps somebody miscalculated.... :-k #-o

http://nwsportsmanmag.com/headlines/100 ... d-oreille/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

remember davis lake in california which is smaller than the box canyon reservoir but they pulled 60,000+ pike out of there before they realized they were just going to poison it off.....twice.... to get rid of the pike....

http://www.landbigfish.com/gallery/gall ... photo=5165" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by Natebg1 » Fri May 31, 2013 10:56 pm

Well Lucius,

As the old saying goes, you can't beat em, you can only hope to contain them, well I say GOOD LUCK!!! Something tells me we will be seeing this same old game for a long time to come till the money runs dry, then it will be silence on the line and no more talk of gill nets and Pike Killing! It might unfortunately take a few years but something tells me that the state of Washington's economy and other factors with this will be a huge reason why eventually we will be hearing nothing else on Pike matters. Just think eventually it will be more numbers, bigger sizes and maybe even record amounts of Pike in areas where they currently net for them, trying everything under the sun to get rid of them with no end in sight! Oh and just to give anyone interested some information on a gentleman who goes by Dabears who put "Secret Lake" on Latest Reports about catching a 40 inch Pike out of some Lake that looks to be somewhere around, just not sure where! Good looking Pike, I am curious if it was Washington or Idaho. Take a look and see if you might recognize the area in the picture. Tight Lines All!

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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by AJ's Dad » Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:15 am

That is a great looking pike he posted. It would be very hard to say where he got the fish but the area looks familiar to me. Of course it could be anywhere but I could make an educatd guess. If he did catch the fish in Washington, I hope he never posts about it's location on here.

Mark K. I found another photo online of an angler using this same magic lure. He even caught more than one fish on the same cast! This thing really is magic! It looks like it might even be the same guy from your photo. We should seek him out and find out where we to can obtain this magic lure. I wonder if you have to were orange clothing to make the most of this lure? Oh man, this could be the biggest thing since the "Mighty Bite" lures!!! I'm absolutely jacked to know more about this thing!
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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by AJ's Dad » Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:52 am

Lucious,
I went and took a look at the Nw Sportsman link you posted. I read the comments at the bottom and couldn't help leaving one myself.

Very interesting to calc the cost per fish to kill off the pike in the POR.
Here's the comment I left in response to one by a lady named Mary. She posted this:

Wait who paid for that?
How much did it cost per fish?
Why didn’t they just put a bounty on the fish and then the fisherman would come to the area,
camp,
eat,
shop and spend that bounty money?

Seems like one big SNAFU!
( I think Mary is a smart lady)

I posted this:
Mary, the money used to pay for this enorthern pike genocide was given to the Kalispel Tribe by the BPA. The dollar figure was, I believe $10,000,000 over a ten year period. To answer your per fish question. $10mil divided by 10 years is $1,000,000 per year. $1,000,000 divided by 5808 fish slaughtered in 2012 brings us to a total of $172.1763 per dead pike during that year. I also believe that money was not being distributed evenly over that ten year period. I believe there was a larger chunk paid out during the first two years. That would make the per fish total much higher.
As for your comment on a bounty, I say if they offered a bounty of less than a 20% of that, lets say $30 per fish, their cost per fish would be dramatically reduced, even after staffing pay stations to collect the fish. With a bounty like that, anglers would more than likely over run the area and spend lots and lots and lots and lots of money in the local community. One would think that filling campgrounds and motels, watching products fly off the shelves at local grocery and sporting goods stores, seeing many many gallons of gas sold at local gas stations, and on and on, would be a great thing for the local economy. I would venture to say that some of those anglers would end up spending some of their time and bounty money at and in lets say, maybe a casino? Maybe the experts on this subject have already considered that and figured the local economy was in good enough shape that it doesn’t need that kind of support.
The bottom line here is MONEY and who gets it. If the BPA worked with the state of Washington and paid out a bounty, those millions of dollars would go into the pockets of anglers and in turn be partly redistributed to local businesses, and not directly into the bank account of the Kalispel tribe. Then how would they pay the salary of a national Northern Pike Expert like Jason Conner????


At the top of my comment it had a notice saying "Your comment is awating moderation" Who knows. They may post it, they may not. They might think I was a little blunt or too harsh. We wouldn't want to hurt anyones feelings.

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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by Lucius » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:50 pm

AJ's Dad wrote:Lucious,
I went and took a look at the Nw Sportsman link you posted. I read the comments at the bottom and couldn't help leaving one myself.

Very interesting to calc the cost per fish to kill off the pike in the POR.
Here's the comment I left in response to one by a lady named Mary. She posted this:

Wait who paid for that?
How much did it cost per fish?
Why didn’t they just put a bounty on the fish and then the fisherman would come to the area,
camp,
eat,
shop and spend that bounty money?

Seems like one big SNAFU!
( I think Mary is a smart lady)

I posted this:
Mary, the money used to pay for this enorthern pike genocide was given to the Kalispel Tribe by the BPA. The dollar figure was, I believe $10,000,000 over a ten year period. To answer your per fish question. $10mil divided by 10 years is $1,000,000 per year. $1,000,000 divided by 5808 fish slaughtered in 2012 brings us to a total of $172.1763 per dead pike during that year. I also believe that money was not being distributed evenly over that ten year period. I believe there was a larger chunk paid out during the first two years. That would make the per fish total much higher.
As for your comment on a bounty, I say if they offered a bounty of less than a 20% of that, lets say $30 per fish, their cost per fish would be dramatically reduced, even after staffing pay stations to collect the fish. With a bounty like that, anglers would more than likely over run the area and spend lots and lots and lots and lots of money in the local community. One would think that filling campgrounds and motels, watching products fly off the shelves at local grocery and sporting goods stores, seeing many many gallons of gas sold at local gas stations, and on and on, would be a great thing for the local economy. I would venture to say that some of those anglers would end up spending some of their time and bounty money at and in lets say, maybe a casino? Maybe the experts on this subject have already considered that and figured the local economy was in good enough shape that it doesn’t need that kind of support.
The bottom line here is MONEY and who gets it. If the BPA worked with the state of Washington and paid out a bounty, those millions of dollars would go into the pockets of anglers and in turn be partly redistributed to local businesses, and not directly into the bank account of the Kalispel tribe. Then how would they pay the salary of a national Northern Pike Expert like Jason Conner????


At the top of my comment it had a notice saying "Your comment is awating moderation" Who knows. They may post it, they may not. They might think I was a little blunt or too harsh. We wouldn't want to hurt anyones feelings.
"Richard, don't run away from your feelings..." Chris Farley in his little cartoon underwear on Tommy Boy

Well I still didn't see your comment post so maybe you did hurt "Richard's" feelings... [-X

On the same note, I heard that the budget that they were going to actually use and spend to try and get rid of the pike was $4 million over 10 years coming out to be $400,000 per year. Now to kind of piggy back off your comment about the $30 bounty program, can you imagine if the BPA gave a club,...cough cough Pike, Inc...or another pike club, $400,000 to put on a fishing tournament or multiple fishing tournaments and the amount of attention that would attract? Lets say you have 2 tournaments with $100,000 to pay out the top winners with another $200,000 to pay runners ups and have prizes like a brand new lund predator with a 115 pro xs as one of the top prizes.... You could repeat this for the next 10 years...talk about an economy booster.....and you get to reduce the amount of pike.....maybe not to the extent of gillnets especially right of the bat, but I feel it could be done just as effective over the long run...just saying... :-"

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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by AJ's Dad » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:33 am

Looks like it's posted now. Who's Richard?

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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by Lucius » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:25 am

AJ's Dad wrote:Looks like it's posted now. Who's Richard?
Just from a movie quote...no one in particular...

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Re: Educational Pike Video

Post by Natebg1 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:30 am

Hey Lucius,

Just doing some research and came across this information about Tiger Musky being stocked at Harvey Gap State Park. Figured this was something that could fall under educational information for Pike since I am guessing that Pike may also be somewhere close by this area. Curious to see or hear if this area will be co inhabited with Tigers and Pike. Enjoy the read and oh yeah, Happy Fathers Day to everyone! Tight Lines and Good Fishing!

Article on Stocking Harvey Gap State Park: http://dnr.state.co.us/newsapp/press.asp?pressid=8327" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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