Fishing politics

[Mike Carey]

I've been following the thread and reading all the comments and appreciate the input.

I think the Announcements section is perfectly fine for posts related to public meetings and to solicit participation from members of WL.com. And, the saltwater and freshwater forums would also be appropriate for starting discussions about various issues in the fishing community. If there is an interest the threads will show it, I don't believe having another forum dedicated to fishing politics/policies is neccesary or needed.

[Matt]

For those against the political forum, I simply say don't go in it. I think it would be a good place for FOCUSED discussion about political and legal topics that arise without having to isolate and search for them in other places throughout the board. If we know where it is we know where to go to look for it.

Regarding the merger saving money..... I don't see how. That's what is "said" but there is no socioeconomic foundation to the claim, it just sounds nice.

[Toni]

The final decision must come from our Overlords. Im with Toni and others on no politics. Just documented truths . What we dont need is an opinion section.

Agreed.

[Matt]

Isn't every section an "opinion section" ?? That's what forums are for, discussing and expressing opinions.

[MarkFromSea]

I'm for some "announcements" of regulation and things that may directly affect any of our fisheries. Maybe call it "Connection Olympia", nah. We've lost a lot of ground thru the years by mismanagement, some we could spot before it came out of the door, some not until it was too late. I think announcing it and encouraging individuals to contact the folks in Olympia is a good thing. But, how do we set this up so attacks and nonsense remains clear of our website. This is ours, Mike set it up for us to use, Aaron did some awesome updates when he came along, but we povide the flesh or heart of the site which is reports, although the forums are much more interesting than they were a few years back, this site has the best cataloguing system for fishing reports of any site I have seen. The news doesn't report our concerns very often. I appreciate hearing what is happenning in Olympia, on here, "if it is pertainent". Emails are often misinterpreted and it is easy to upset someone even though it is intended as sarcasm or laughable. See what I mean? We do need to talk about what matters! Announcements is fine with me since there are multiple subjects under announcements.

[fishnazzi]

It is good to see that a few are worried enough to beg for a tool, to be informed. I guess the ability to post it somewhere........where it might be found found........is better then nothing..............I have another resource to stay informed...................






Just hoped that a banding together of numbers of anglers could be achieved......................by the time that happens it will be to late...................








Carry on.................

[scott080379]

That would be the point of the forum...........to banned us together and I understand that there will be those who would rather just fish and hope that everything will turn out fine. I just want us all to be informed and those that want to join the fight and send in letters and go to the meeting can. Those that don't have the time or just aren't willing than that is fine as well. The forum section would get the people that want to join the fight a spot ti get info on up and coming bills and rules/regs changes that we can help change or fight to keep the same.

Thank you for those of you that are willing to help us with the fight. I am not trying to cause any hate or discontent here so please don't take it that way. I feel very strongly about our fishing rights and right now I have the time to put in to help with the fight.

[fishnazzi]

Scott..............Sadly the only ones squawking are the ones who insist on ....................... hoping for the best..............ignorance is bliss...............













so nobody gets their feeling hurt.......lets understand the word ignorance

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Ignorance
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Ignorance is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge). The word "ignorant" is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware and is often used as an insult. "Ignoramus" is commonly used in the UK and Ireland as a name of someone who is overwhelmingly ignorant.
Ignorance should be distinguished from stupidity, although both can lead to "unwise" acts. Also, if important information is available, one may fail to acquire it due to lack of intelligence (not realizing its importance, or not understanding it).


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Seems to sum up those that oppose it so strongly..................Pay close attention to the last sentence..................

[MarkFromSea]

I used to belong to the Pogey club, helped with some rearing pond set up and weir installation, other activities, years ago. Used to scuba dive, went to a couple meetings on Ling cod regulation change at fish and game, a Shoreline CC classrom of scuba divers held the regulation to the same for a decade longer, I think we physically scared them, LOL, they screwed us in the end anyway but it did delay the change a decade. Our combined voice can make a difference.

[fishnazzi]

I used to belong to the Pogey club, helped with some rearing pond set up and weir installation, other activities, years ago. Used to scuba dive, went to a couple meetings on Ling cod regulation change at fish and game, a Shoreline CC classrom of scuba divers held the regulation to the same for a decade longer, I think we physically scared them, LOL, they screwed us in the end anyway but it did delay the change a decade. Our combined voice can make a difference.

Agreed but as I stated in post above yours............ignorance is bliss...............

[MarkFromSea]

Ooh! No one said to not post the info, just announced where would be the best place to post it. I think there is already a regulation section, there is a heck of a lot of other threads or subjects here also. So many of the existing subjects go unused anyway.... Start a word search in here to see which forum it fits under best, geez. Resorting to quoting definitions of ignorance isn't gonna win you a cupie doll or any supporters to your cause... The best way to organize is probably like spokes and hubs, like the airlines sets up flights, so which is the largest org to promote sportsmen's views to the state, put them in the center(the hub), use wa-lakes as a spoke, funnel your info into and out of the hub to the spokes(multiple small orgs), do your best to keep it factual, keep complaints to a minimal or at least no greater than the action info, the info that factually states what is happening, quote your source, whiners suck, give us an action to accomplish or/and provide what the actual legislation states, not so much your interpretation, I'm not blindly going to follow you, you just show me where I can see it for myself. This is why I don't care for Limbaugh, he's a whiner, he NEVER gives a remedy for what we already know. I like that he brings awareness to the prob, but we need the solution. So big boy, who's the big dog to contact for correct info on this, those links didn't bring me straight to a form I could read pertinant info, you can do better than that.

[MarkFromSea]

The final decision must come from our Overlords. Im with Toni and others on no politics. Just documented truths . What we dont need is an opinion section.

"What should use to catch a blackmouth in the sound"...................."what area should I fish".................."What is the best rig for bass"................."Where should I go to catch a trout"......................
Any answer to the questions above would be an opinion. If documented truth is your quest it ain't happening on any thread here. ...................Might try a church.................but their record is almost as bad as Oly..................






PS. Documented truth.......there is a meeting tomorrow in OLY............the fate of WDFG(i know I know WDFW) will be on the line...................But I know who cares right.............hell we're all just hoping that we can catch the last fish................won't be us if this passes.............It will be a commercial or tribal boat that gets the last one........there organized............as is proven here............sport anglers are not.

so where is this meeting in Olympia? if it's open to the public, and I'm able to research this a bit more, I'm interested in going down to either support it or lobby against it, depending on what I find tonight.... how long ago was this proposed?

[MarkFromSea]

so, heck, that meeting was today, did I read that correctly? So CCA is the big dog to see the sportsmen's side? ........ Wheh..... I'm lost.... LOL Wish I had seen something on this a week or so ago to actually do something......

[scott080379]

SB 5669 will be the order of business in the Cherberg Bldg, at 1:30 PM Thursday, 10 Feb.

hope this helps, you didn't miss it

[fishnazzi]

Ooh! No one said to not post the info, just announced where would be the best place to post it. I think there is already a regulation section, there is a heck of a lot of other threads or subjects here also. So many of the existing subjects go unused anyway.... Start a word search in here to see which forum it fits under best, geez. Resorting to quoting definitions of ignorance isn't gonna win you a cupie doll or any supporters to your cause... The best way to organize is probably like spokes and hubs, like the airlines sets up flights, so which is the largest org to promote sportsmen's views to the state, put them in the center(the hub), use wa-lakes as a spoke, funnel your info into and out of the hub to the spokes(multiple small orgs), do your best to keep it factual, keep complaints to a minimal or at least no greater than the action info, the info that factually states what is happening, quote your source, whiners suck, give us an action to accomplish or/and provide what the actual legislation states, not so much your interpretation, I'm not blindly going to follow you, you just show me where I can see it for myself. This is why I don't care for Limbaugh, he's a whiner, he NEVER gives a remedy for what we already know. I like that he brings awareness to the prob, but we need the solution. So big boy, who's the big dog to contact for correct info on this, those links didn't bring me straight to a form I could read pertinant info, you can do better than that.

I could care less if anyone follows me.............That is not my point. My point to be very clear is this.................A section for fishing rights works..........it an arena to post this kinda stuff no searching no hunting.

You only use anything as spoke if it allows you to. Seems there are more people worried about a section being here that they don't have to click into unless.............they want to clear their ignorance. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge...........as long as no one is allowed to know about future proposals here they will be ignorant.

It's OK the other board will have a very strong showing.............always does we can generally get a good number.......over a 100 at the Friday Harbor Orca closure last year. 30 at the albacore limits meeting. I know Saturday a bunch went down for the sea closure meeting.

For now the other guy is doing it................unless anglers unite the end will be sooner then you think.



This board seems to be mostly freshwater/ river fishermen it covers these areas well. Freshwater fishermen have not HUGE changes as has been seen by the salt anglers in recent years............tomorrow if this goes through........they will.......and it will be to late to fix it. Your milage may vary.......

[Mike Carey]

This topic is closed. One more time - if you have announcements of importance they can go in the Announcements section.

And a reminder, linking to other fishing web sites violates the terms of use and policies of this site. You can PM your friends with this information Please link to the pertinant official meeting post from WDFW.