Why are our rivers so crowded? (An article)

[skagit510]

could be sites like this and Hollywood guides blowing the place up too. not looking for conflict with this statement nor am i being mean spirited. just seems fishing used to be hush on locations and such now its a LOOK AT ME thing for some folks

So before this site and others the skok, samish , cascade, rieter were quiet, solitary places where just a select chosen few(like you) fished?

i would not disgrace myself to fish those places. they are good for containing the animals in the zoo though. anyone that equates the skok with sport, pleasure, or fair chase angling should only fish there. garbage, human waste, and human trash don't float my boat. i can see you all are getting up in arms and i don't want conflict as any conflict on this site seems to get pulled down, one of the non clique members banned. i don't want to be banned or cause strife. I'm just asking folks to have a good honest look around and at themselves. i am very willing to help any angler with tech or questions. i am not willing to prostitute a resource or give others spots out like cool kid currency. furthermore if fishing in a crowd is your thing...great. more power to you. just don't expect others to share the same social nature.

[spoonman]

I just think wherever you find fish, you will find people. Look at the salmon river over on the op, miles from anywhere, but go there at the peak of the run and the place is packed. I have my spots I like to fish, I'm usually not alone but they arent packed and I don't advertise them here. You just have to be willing to walk farther and fish harder than the next guy. And yes a drift boat helps... When I have time to use it.

[Weekend-warrior17]

Wow, some folks these days really know how to ruin the good times that fishing brings to people... the skok has a bunch of good people that know how to have a fun/ joyful fishing trip witch to most that's what fishing is all about (smiles and good memories) no need to be so negative, never makes for a good fishin trip to have negative people around to just ruin the mood.

[skagit510]

Wow, some folks these days really know how to ruin the good times that fishing brings to people... the skok has a bunch of good people that know how to have a fun/ joyful fishing trip witch to most that's what fishing is all about (smiles and good memories) no need to be so negative, never makes for a good fishin trip to have negative people around to just ruin the mood.

a bunch of drunken foul mouthed degenerates snagging kings is a far cry from what you describe.

[Weekend-warrior17]

Wow, some folks these days really know how to ruin the good times that fishing brings to people... the skok has a bunch of good people that know how to have a fun/ joyful fishing trip witch to most that's what fishing is all about (smiles and good memories) no need to be so negative, never makes for a good fishin trip to have negative people around to just ruin the mood.

a bunch of drunken foul mouthed degenerates snagging kings is a far cry from what you describe.

no need to be so negative, never makes for anything better to have negative people around to just ruin the mood, I guess the opinion is all in the eye of the beholder doesn't sound like you've had a very good experience on the skok's fishery. I talking about my personal opinion,no need to make things personal. Hope to see ya out there some time enjoying yourself.

[NFCustom]

Wow, some folks these days really know how to ruin the good times that fishing brings to people... the skok has a bunch of good people that know how to have a fun/ joyful fishing trip witch to most that's what fishing is all about (smiles and good memories) no need to be so negative, never makes for a good fishin trip to have negative people around to just ruin the mood.

a bunch of drunken foul mouthed degenerates snagging kings is a far cry from what you describe.

What most new anglers fail to realize is that the foul techniques used on the Skokomish are the exception not the rule. Many new or seasonal anglers have not fished for Chinook anywhere else so they figure what they are doing is ok. The game wardens do not see it as okay but sanctioning everybody would be like arresting every looter at riot.

Two years ago I was fishing a remote river that is constantly over looked for fall chinook and to my surprise when I walked in I saw two geniuses splashing the frog water with heavy cannonballs and three zip code long leaders ripping away. I was more than pi$$ed off so I reached for my phone to see what Mr. Warden might think about this disgusting display pure disrespect to this particular fishery. But to my surprise guess who comes walking behind me you guessed it Mr. Warden. He sat and witnessed what was going on and took their gear, fish and wrote then hefty tickets.

[mizm05]

While we are blaming...I blame the government. After all, they created all the roads that you use to get to these fisheries. ;-)

Nate, as a non-native to the state of Washington, this article shed some light on the history of the fishing around here. Thanks.

Now you're gonna think I'm a nerdy spelling and grammar nazi...but I can't help it...if you plan on publishing that article somewhere, I'm sure someone would proof read it, but there are spelling and grammar issues to look at. Things like "their" vs. "there", and some general typos. Not trying to nitpick...but my OCD side catches that stuff and it drives me crazy if I don't say something. Sorry! And I'm not perfect by any means so please don't take it that way. Trying to help.

[Weekend-warrior17]

Wow, some folks these days really know how to ruin the good times that fishing brings to people... the skok has a bunch of good people that know how to have a fun/ joyful fishing trip witch to most that's what fishing is all about (smiles and good memories) no need to be so negative, never makes for a good fishin trip to have negative people around to just ruin the mood.

a bunch of drunken foul mouthed degenerates snagging kings is a far cry from what you describe.

What most new anglers fail to realize is that the foul techniques used on the Skokomish are the exception not the rule. Many new or seasonal anglers have not fished for Chinook anywhere else so they figure what they are doing is ok. The game wardens do not see it as okay but sanctioning everybody would be like arresting every looter at riot.

Pretty sure nobody here thinks that the skok fly or the treble hook 3 second rip is how fishing the skok "should go", but some people do it to catch fish and feed there families witch there shouldn't be anything wrong with, doesn't mean its the "right way" but its still fishing and if done correctly the skok fly is a legal way to fish/ retain fish. There is no law saying they shouldn't use that method, go to the wfdw and try your hardest to change the fishing regulations to say salmon must be hooked in the mouth like so many other rivers out there, the hatchery fish were putt in there for fisherman to retain that's why theirs a daily limit for them.

[skagit510]

super constructive thanks.

[skagit510]

regs clearly state the fish must willingly take the lure. perhaps you should read them rather then make excuses to circumvent them. oh yeah for you skokers out there circumvent means to cheat or get around. hope that helps. furthermore if they are feeding their families perhaps less spent on that jacked up truck, pack of kools and loomis snagging rods could be spent better, but i guess that's what L and I fraud is to fund and buy.

[NFCustom]

Just incase you have not noticed there are also Wild fish in there too that are getting harassed. Someone should just build a Great Wolf Lodge type of place where instead of swimming guys could just walk around and snag farm raised salmon. We could also make sure there are lots of snags for you to shear off in so you can get the total experience.

[jd39]

just cause the car got invented doesn't mean we have to drive like jerks jd. point is its a dwindling resource and advertising it is killing it. I'm here to watch the circus and talk tech not spots. ever wonder why the guides here take so much grief? i do. doesn't seem to happen to others.

Can’t say I have wondered about that, it’s the internet, people are going to hate and if guides on this site are successful and they’re jealous of that, and the guides share the wealth with others, they’re really gonna hate. Pretty simple and base human nature to me. I think guides provide a great service and try to fish with them often if I can. The two I go with most often are just good dudes to fish with and have taught me a lot.
In my experience people that whine about fishing sites have “offline” networks of fishing buddies they tap into when they need info on spots and techniques. Not everyone has that resource. I don’t and use this site to fill the gap and appreciate that it’s available. If someone doesn’t want to share specifics about a spot or special bait/scent that’s been effective I get it and am still grateful they shared what they did. I think most people on this site get it when someone doesn’t want to be too specific. If a poster, or even a guide, decides to get specific that’s a choice that’s 100% their right to make. These are public resources they are talking about, they or I need no permission from anyone to post about them if that’s what we want to do. If I fish with someone that asks me to keep something quiet I will out of respect though.
If you’re upset about how the resource is managed and that it’s dwindling you’re barking up the wrong tree if you think people that just want to fish are at fault. Sure there are “anglers” out there we’d all wish would stay home, ripping hooks, getting drunk and obnoxious, taking illegal fish but their impact is nothing compared with the larger problems. I’d also bet a year’s salary those “anglers” have been hitting the rivers long before walakes ever existed.
Anyhow, take care, I don't know you, bet you're an alright guy, most people are, but I get tired of hearing people whine about fishing sites when they've helped me get back into and enjoy some success in what's quickly becoming my life's passion.

[skagit510]

good ide NF. we could charge admission have free beer, hooters girls, and ash trays pool side.

[Weekend-warrior17]

Just incase you have not noticed there are also Wild fish in there too that are getting harassed. Someone should just build a Great Wolf Lodge type of place where instead of swimming guys could just walk around and snag farm raised salmon.[/quote]

Lets go with that one ^^^ jk no need for snagging that would mean the fish isn't willingly taking the lure, isnt that right skagit5210

[spoonman]

I've never fished the skok and probably never will. I just recently fished the samish for the first time, me and my brother were the only ones actually angling. I don't think ill go back. If you don't like those fisheries don't go.

[skagit510]

the deal is some people want a fish on the bank period. the don't care how. they need to feel like the man packing their butt hooked boot around looking tough and provider like. they don't care how just the result matters. in the process they have no honor, sportsmanship. they are pissing in the face of all ethical anglers. I'm sorry about your experience spoonman. I've been there it sucks. that's why it its the duty of ethical anglers to drive out, embarrass or report scum.

[spoonman]

the deal is some people want a fish on the bank period. the don't care how. they need to feel like the man packing their butt hooked boot around looking tough and provider like. they don't care how just the result matters. in the process they have no honor, sportsmanship. they are pissing in the face of all ethical anglers. I'm sorry about your experience spoonman. I've been there it sucks. that's why it its the duty of ethical anglers to drive out, embarrass or report scum.

Hard to argue with that.

[jd39]

the deal is some people want a fish on the bank period. the don't care how. they need to feel like the man packing their butt hooked boot around looking tough and provider like. they don't care how just the result matters. in the process they have no honor, sportsmanship. they are pissing in the face of all ethical anglers. I'm sorry about your experience spoonman. I've been there it sucks. that's why it its the duty of ethical anglers to drive out, embarrass or report scum.

Hard to argue with that.

Can't say i disagree either, except maybe the degree ethical anglers are duty bound to confront potentially dangerous individuals on river banks. I think that's best left to law enforcement. This topic is a bit different than the original thread though and has a good chance of going sideways if it continues and getting pulled down.

[skagit510]

true jd. i don't want to hijack the thread or derail it. i feel there are some good conversation here. thanks to all who participate.

[Weekend-warrior17]

Sorry nate for going off topic, that's a real neat read you've got there all is true, you should try an publish it like mizm05 mentioned. (: worth a shot.