Fishing and Hunting News - Washington Magazine, Cutthroat Trout, LW/LS

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I just picked up a copy today at the Bellevue Fred Meyer. It is loaded with great information on the cutthroat trout fishery from the Waverly Area to the Cedar River Area. It really explains and maps out what you need to know to succeed in this fishery. It has detailed maps, and also talks about Lake Sammamish and the Chronomid hatch between 10am-2pm. This is a great magazine and I would like to thank fishnislife for his guidance in assisting me to pick up an issue this evening. I'm going to go ahead and read it and head off to bed. I think this is a must read for those wanting to get into this fishery or have questions and don't know where to start. I know I've been PM'd by many a members regarding this fishery, and I would love to point you to the Feb. 21st, 2008 issue of Fishing & Hunting News for Washington (magazine). You'll learn a lot and have a fun time reading it...thanks fishnislife! I will also visit the fly shops in and around Issaquah that are mentioned in the magazine and pick up these flies...I love fly fishing and believe what I read when it comes to cutthroat and fly-fishing, because I've been out on Washington in the early-pre-dawn mornings and have witnessed this rolling and swirling of their backs up on the surface. Great issue.

[A9]

Yea those mags' do a decent job outlining fisheries. They definitely help and are a good aid for anyone. Not very expensive, definitely worth picking up. I keep telling myself to get a subscription but I always forget...

[trout slayer]

not trying to take away from the mag or hijack the post but...I get both wa hunting and fishing mags and i read them religiuosly, but i see alot of info in them that look exactly like some posts in here word for word. im not pointing fingers but you never hear them say they get the info from walakes.com. i would trust info from the forums in here than those mags anyday.........just thought i would rant a little...

[A9]

not trying to take away from the mag or hijack the post but...I get both wa hunting and fishing mags and i read them religiuosly, but i see alot of info in them that look exactly like some posts in here word for word. im not pointing fingers but you never hear them say they get the info from walakes.com. i would trust info from the forums in here than those mags anyday.........just thought i would rant a little...

I'm not really sure what you mean by this. Like a forum member or the magazine is plagiarizing???

Info amongst fishermen and the magazines are pretty similar....Cause fishermen read those mags. So I can understand why similar information is echoed here in the forums. Also, a lot of those magazines are pretty general, so it would be easy for someone talking about a fishery to sound similar to the magazine...

[fishnislife]

Best WA fishing mag. hands down. I can't wait for each issue. Glad I could help kutt. I saw that article and thought of you. Had to share.



fishnislife

[Drewp]

I have never read this mag, but aside from here, all i have heard is bad things about it. From what i have heard, this magazine has single-handedly ruined many fishing holes by broadcasting hard to come by information to the world. Many people HATE this magazine for that reason, and for that reason, I'm not going to be a customer. People put in a lot of time and effort to find good spots, and I would be pissed too to come to my fishing spot one day and be elbow to elbow with a bunch of people who just read about your spot in a magazine.

[michaelunbewust]

THAT ROLLING IS WHAT I HAVE WITNESSED ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS DOWN THERE, RIGHT BEFORE DARK, THOUGH. HAVE NOT BEEN THERE FROM 10-2. RIGHT BETWEEN THE RIVER ENTRANCE AND THAT LAST DOCK WALL. WE EVEN TROLLED RIGHT THRU THEM ONE EVENING, BUT, COULDNT GET THE SPINNER RIGHT AT THE SURFACE. I THINK A FLY WOULD BE DEADLY FOR THOSE CUTTS THERE. I DO NOT FLY FISH, THOUGH. WONDER IF YOU CAN USE A FLY ON OTHER GEAR, FOR THEM. I GOT MY FIRST FISHING POLE THAT I GOT FOR MYSELF SELLING THAT FISHING AND HUNTING NEWS BACK IN THE EARLY 80'S. GOT ME A LITTLE EAGLE CLAW SPIN OUTFIT FOR SELLING 2 SUBSCRIPTIONS TO MY UNCLES. MISS THOSE DAYS. IT HAS BEEN A PRETTY GOOD MAG FOR A LONG TIME.

[Shad_Eating_Grin]

I have never read this mag, but aside from here, all i have heard is bad things about it. From what i have heard, this magazine has single-handedly ruined many fishing holes by broadcasting hard to come by information to the world. Many people HATE this magazine for that reason, and for that reason, I'm not going to be a customer. People put in a lot of time and effort to find good spots, and I would be pissed too to come to my fishing spot one day and be elbow to elbow with a bunch of people who just read about your spot in a magazine.

Most of the veteran fishermen around here call it "Fishing and Hunting Lies"

[A9]

I have never read this mag, but aside from here, all i have heard is bad things about it. From what i have heard, this magazine has single-handedly ruined many fishing holes by broadcasting hard to come by information to the world. Many people HATE this magazine for that reason, and for that reason, I'm not going to be a customer. People put in a lot of time and effort to find good spots, and I would be pissed too to come to my fishing spot one day and be elbow to elbow with a bunch of people who just read about your spot in a magazine.

That magazine doesn't exactly ruin honey holes for people. The places they talk about are already the most well known spots in Washington. They talk about Chums in October and profile all the good rivers to catch those, Pinks in August and tell you how to catch those at Humpy Hollow, silvers in september and how to fish and where to fish for those, trout in the spring and all about that....
Most of the places they talk about are usually well known anyways..

The Magazine is good for starters who don't use the internet for their fishing research...It's all pretty general stuff, but it gets people on a straight path..

[Anonymous]

I have never read this mag, but aside from here, all i have heard is bad things about it. From what i have heard, this magazine has single-handedly ruined many fishing holes by broadcasting hard to come by information to the world. Many people HATE this magazine for that reason, and for that reason, I'm not going to be a customer. People put in a lot of time and effort to find good spots, and I would be pissed too to come to my fishing spot one day and be elbow to elbow with a bunch of people who just read about your spot in a magazine.

That magazine doesn't exactly ruin honey holes for people. The places they talk about are already the most well known spots in Washington. They talk about Chums in October and profile all the good rivers to catch those, Pinks in August and tell you how to catch those at Humpy Hollow, silvers in september and how to fish and where to fish for those, trout in the spring and all about that....
Most of the places they talk about are usually well known anyways..

The Magazine is good for starters who don't use the internet for their fishing research...It's all pretty general stuff, but it gets people on a straight path..

Exactly. Common people, we live in the Northwest, where people fish along side us...relax...my gosh. I've fished my honey hole for cutts and have had people get in line behind me to mimic my tactics...I dont' care. There are enough fish to go around, and this magazine is just putting out the information, you can take it or leave it. It's nothing to get upset or irrate about people. People know these fisheries on the whole and they're not telling something new, but rather, updating us on what's current and hot. I like the magazine and love the close to home feel that I get when I read the magazine. It's good for starters and veterans alike who like to stay up-to-date with the most current fish reports on the salt, rivers, and lakes. They aren't giving away fishing holes, because it's really hard to go out there and do well for cutts, even I have some trouble some days, but that's fishing, and I'm ok fishing with nice folks out there on the lake or sound or river. It's just part of the fishing experience, and it needs to been seen that way. This magazine is doing a service, not a dis-service. Most people who get in line and troll behind me don't do well anyways due to their shabby tactics that spook the fish...it takes years to perfect a certain fishery...I'm still a ways away from doing so out on Lake Washington. I'm still learning thanks to magazines like this.

[A9]

I have never read this mag, but aside from here, all i have heard is bad things about it. From what i have heard, this magazine has single-handedly ruined many fishing holes by broadcasting hard to come by information to the world. Many people HATE this magazine for that reason, and for that reason, I'm not going to be a customer. People put in a lot of time and effort to find good spots, and I would be pissed too to come to my fishing spot one day and be elbow to elbow with a bunch of people who just read about your spot in a magazine.

I'd say the same people that hate the magazine should hate the internet more. I'm sorry if their honey hole is Humpy Hollow, Possession Point, Beaver Lake, the Snohomish or Green River, etc. Those places are well known by thousands of people. I don't see them talking about small lakes like the little one next to Beaver that kutthroatkilla has been asking about or talking about any small lake or spots on some small streams.

If they hate the magazine, why wouldn't they hate the internet as well, and if not more? Sites like this and other forums where people are posting reports and giving information to others should be a big concern as well for people concerned for their secret spots? This is why I don't post reports for a few of my lakes, and rarely post secret lake reports for them...

[Drewp]

I don't know specific examples of what spots have been ruined as I've never read the mag, but I've heard from many steelhead fishermen that used to have stretches of river to themselves on the penninsula, which are now close to combat areas because of that mag. Other complaints I've heard as far as give aways were small creeks and tribs that you would normally have to really work for in order to find. There's an unspoken rule in steelheading that you can tell everything except where. What you're using, time of day, weather, river cfs, etc, but you NEVER tell where.

Oh, and most of those people DO hate the internet for that very same reason.

I guess I don't care one way or another - the magazine is going to be there whether you decide to read it or not. Personal preference dictates, but I like idea of working for my fishing spots, not getting a detailed map and following the crowd.

[Anonymous]

but I like idea of working for my fishing spots, not getting a detailed map and following the crowd.

And that is totally respectable. I see where you're coming from. For many beginning anglers (which one day we once were) and still are (imo), need a magazine like this to lead us to the right areas, and facilitate the catching process or at least the fishing process. This issue hits home with me because over the last 2 years I've seen probably an 125% jump in boats out on Lake Washington targeting cutts. I think it is because of websites like this and magazines like that, that get people out on the lake. I don't mind, in fact, I'm glad to help someone out. I remember a fall day when I had limited out on nice 17" cutties and a gentleman pulled up and talked to me for about 30 minutes and I explained to him how to fish, when to fish, what to fish with, what not to fish with, what spooks the fish, what propels them to strike, etc. He was so thankful and we exchanged contact info and may someday fish together. I'm all about getting the word out about when and where, but I can see your point with the rivers and what not, and it is well taken. I've not fished the rivers so I can't speak with any validity on the subject, but I can speak of helping out anglers on Lake Washington. I continue to do so, and do so with great hopes that they will come to this site, support WL.com and support the WDFW and the state of Washington fisheries.

[A9]

I don't know specific examples of what spots have been ruined as I've never read the mag, but I've heard from many steelhead fishermen that used to have stretches of river to themselves on the penninsula, which are now close to combat areas because of that mag. Other complaints I've heard as far as give aways were small creeks and tribs that you would normally have to really work for in order to find. There's an unspoken rule in steelheading that you can tell everything except where. What you're using, time of day, weather, river cfs, etc, but you NEVER tell where.

Oh, and most of those people DO hate the internet for that very same reason.

I guess I don't care one way or another - the magazine is going to be there whether you decide to read it or not. Personal preference dictates, but I like idea of working for my fishing spots, not getting a detailed map and following the crowd.

I understand the rules of steelheading and the importance of being able to have your own stretch of water. The magazine, from what I've read, doesn't exactly ruin the smaller rivers on the OP or tell about small little tribs. Other bigger rivers on the OP might have been talked about in the magazine, but everyone already knows about them. They are big, have hatcheries on them, etc. That magazine gives the most general spots for an angler to try. They suggest the big and popular stretches of water that have already had the word spread out about. Any of the seasoned steelheaders have their own spots to fish away from the more popular regions and know their own, less tracked spots...

Then again, I haven't read every single magazine the publish, so maybe they do talk about some secret spots that makes people feel like their toes are getting stepped on...

I think the biggest issue is just the population growth. Lots more people these days and lots more people take interest in outdoor hobbies such as fishing.

[Drewp]

Kutthroatkiller - I think the best way to get info is to go fishing and talk to people you see. To me, that IS putting in the work. I too am always happy to talk to anyone while I'm out on the water.

Sam- Ofasho on the population growth thing. Too many people, not enough fish when it comes to steelheading.

No ill will was meant for the readers - it's there so why not read it? All I'm saying is that I've heard is that this particluar mag sometimes goes a little too far into detail trying to sell their product.

[A9]

All I'm saying is that I've heard is that this particluar mag sometimes goes a little too far into detail trying to sell their product.

That's definitely understandable...Maybe the do talk about those small spots every once in a while...

[Anonymous]

Kutthroatkiller - I think the best way to get info is to go fishing and talk to people you see. To me, that IS putting in the work. I too am always happy to talk to anyone while I'm out on the water.

btw, It's kutthroatkilla with an "a" not "er." Alright now moving on...I agree with you. Putting in the work means getting out there as much as possible and spreading the word about a certain fishery. I have holes up along the Middle Fork of the Snoqualmie that are killer for cutthroat trout in the late, late evenings on the fly rod. I would gladly tell someone WHERE I was fishing, because at one point in my fishing "career" I was a newbie and had no idea where to start, when to fish, where to go, etc. I soon then found the rules phamplet... Nevertheless, spreading the word involves giving up hot spots and sharing the love. If I were just tight lipped about the fishery then no one would come to me for advice or guidance. The WHERE is what it's all about. You may be a little negatively biased towards this magazine, and you're certainly entitled to that stance. I personally commend the magazine for getting the word out and spreading the love when it comes to certain fisheries. As a state, we face many challenges with low fish returns, declining species, and the complete opposite - the proliferation of species in waters where they do not belong. I believe it is magazines like this that help the newbies out and spread the word about these fisheries. I know for one, that fishing the Cedar River is not the best place on the lake to fish for cutts. I like the north end of the lake, because I've caught much bigger cutts here (up to 8 pounds) and always get dinks 15"ers down there. The magazine simply is a relayer of information to the angler who wants to be in the know. I don't care if people fish WHERE I fish, because I know they won't do as well, and may need some help. That's where we come in. I do appreciate your opinion on the magazine, however. **Note** - Someday I would like to work for a magazine like this. I find this kind of writing, both fun and insightful.

[michaelunbewust]

NOT ARGUEING WITH ANYBODY ON THIS, BUT, IF IT WAS MY PRODUCT, TO SELL THE CRAP OUT OF IT, I WOULD ACTUALLY PUT ALL THE INFO GIVEN. I KNOW SOME OF THIER CONTRIBUTERS LIKE MARC M. THE BASS ANGLER, AND, THE OLD-TIMER FROM YAKIMA THAT IS ALWAYS REPORTING, AS WELL AS, THE RICHLAND ANGLERS NEVER PUT ALL THE INFO THEY HAVE IN THE MAGIZINE. IVE BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH TO SEE THEM OUT ON THE WATER, OR, AT THE LAUNCH AND PICKED THIER BRAINS. ANY COMPANY OUT THERE SELLING ANYTHING, NEEDS TO SELL AS MANY AS POSSIBLE BESIDES, IVE BEEN FISHING WASHINGTON 30+YEARS, IS THERE REALLY ANY SECRET SPOTS ANYMORE, THAT ONLY A COUPLE FOLKS KNOW ABOUT?? I KNOW WHERE THERE ARE A TON OF SECRET PLACES, THAT OTHER ANGLERS HAVE SHOWN ME, AND, I STILL CANT CATCH THEM THERE LIKE THEY DO. SO, IT IS STILL THIER SECRET SPOT, UNTIL LIKE DREWP SAYS "YOU PUT IN THE WORK" I UNDERSTAND DREWP ABOUT HIS STEELHEADING, THOUGH, BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH OF THE RIVER THAT IS GOING TO BE GOOD. IVE JOINED MY BUDDIES ON THE TUCANNON AFTER A HOTSPOT WAS GIVEN OUT (NOT BY THE NEWS MAG), FOR STEELHEAD AND I ENDED UP NOT FISHING DUE TO ALL THE NEWBIES AT THE SPOT. SO, I GUESS ITS A GOOD AND BAD THIS NEWS STUFF! IVE JUST GOTTEN ALOT OF GOOD OUT OF IT SINCE THE EARLY 80"S. ONE WIERD THING, I DO BUY IT LESS AND LESS, AS I MEET MORE GUYS ON THIS SITE, AND, GET THE CHANCE TO FISH WITH THEM. YOU CAN GET ALL THE SAME INFO HERE, IF NOT BETTER, IM FINDING OUT.

[Drewp]

btw, It's kutthroatkilla with an "a" not "er."

My bad killa. Wasn't tryin' ta front on ya steez, yo. Chuuch, gangsta.

Although, I could swear a month or two ago you spelled your moniker with C in the beginning. You're tough to keep up with Mr. Kerry.

Fish on....

[A9]

IS THERE REALLY ANY SECRET SPOTS ANYMORE, THAT ONLY A COUPLE FOLKS KNOW ABOUT??

Yes. Plenty. And a secret spot doesn't mean a river or lake that no one else fishes. Often times it means a spot on the particular body of water that is completely overlooked and is therefore never fished. I have quite a few secret spots and I hope that no one figures them out, cause it means more fish for me. I am not against giving advice to friends and neighbors, but if I saw these spots in Fishing and Hunting magazines or all over the internet, I'd be a little ticked off...