Ok now I am working on figuring out how to mount both my Outboard and my New Endura on the back of my livingston. The Yamahammer 4hp is too noisy for trolling and I don't have enough confidence in an electric alone for several mile runs and trolling.
Mind you this is on a 7.5' livingston and I know it can be done as I saw a 7' setup last weekend but didn't pay close enough to the specifics of it.
Since the Yama is borrowed from another boat moored accross state, I will eventually have to get a outboard for the Livingston, although it is rated to 5hp I am looking at 6-8hp Johns and evins in the 56# range. Since the Yama is 51# when I weighed it.
Lots more power at the same weightish class. Will be getting a Jr Whale tail regardless to keep it from exessive bow rise.
I do have complete confidence in this boat as I have been running it in the Sound for the last month in some heavy wave action and no problems. Fished off Camano and Whidbey two weeks ago in 18" waves and not a worry. The 4 hp is just a little underpowered for fighting 6`o clock winds and a hard running tide.
Photo of Small Boats with both gas outboard and Electric motors mounted?
Photo of Small Boats with both gas outboard and Electric motors mounted?
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RE:Photo of Small Boats with both gas outboard and Electric motors mounted?
Hope this helps. Not a livingston, but figured it could help...
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RE:Photo of Small Boats with both gas outboard and Electric motors mounted?
I use the same set up on my Smokercraft as Sam has.
Sam, what size is your Minnkota? I have a 40# thrust Endura on mine but it is hard to control in just a little wind. I might need to upsize a bit.
Sam, what size is your Minnkota? I have a 40# thrust Endura on mine but it is hard to control in just a little wind. I might need to upsize a bit.
RE:Photo of Small Boats with both gas outboard and Electric motors mounted?
Our setup on our 13.5' alaskan smoker is exactly the same as pictured.
On a windless day we won't even fire up the outboard--strictly electric. Plenty of juice in the optima to run the boat for 4-6 hours of trolling. We've run end-to-end on baker lake more than once, on just the minnkota and still not drained the battery dead.
The same 40# minnkota was on out last little boat, an 8' livingston fiberglass...seemed like we could go at least half the day on a single battery.
Good luck!
On a windless day we won't even fire up the outboard--strictly electric. Plenty of juice in the optima to run the boat for 4-6 hours of trolling. We've run end-to-end on baker lake more than once, on just the minnkota and still not drained the battery dead.
The same 40# minnkota was on out last little boat, an 8' livingston fiberglass...seemed like we could go at least half the day on a single battery.
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RE:Photo of Small Boats with both gas outboard and Electric motors mounted?
Triehl27, I worked in puget Sound for 20 years on Tugboats that were over 100 feet long and had 3000+ hp. I have rescued more than 30 people on Puget Sound that thought the same as you.
Triehl27 said, "I do have complete confidence in this boat as I have been running it in the Sound for the last month in some heavy wave action and no problems."
Please be careful. That boat was never designed to be used in the sound as a fishing boat. Maybe think about a bigger boat that is safe. Please wear your life jacket and take a cell phone in a plastic bag!
I have been all over the world in boats and one of the roughest seas I have been in was right here in puget sound. The life expectancy of someone in the water here in the sound is less than 20 min.
I don't want you to think I 'm telling you what to do, but I am talking from experience. Think about what you are doing and always go boating safely.
Steve, Chief Engineer, Foss Maritime, Retired.
Triehl27 said, "I do have complete confidence in this boat as I have been running it in the Sound for the last month in some heavy wave action and no problems."
Please be careful. That boat was never designed to be used in the sound as a fishing boat. Maybe think about a bigger boat that is safe. Please wear your life jacket and take a cell phone in a plastic bag!
I have been all over the world in boats and one of the roughest seas I have been in was right here in puget sound. The life expectancy of someone in the water here in the sound is less than 20 min.
I don't want you to think I 'm telling you what to do, but I am talking from experience. Think about what you are doing and always go boating safely.
Steve, Chief Engineer, Foss Maritime, Retired.
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RE:Photo of Small Boats with both gas outboard and Electric motors mounted?
Thanks Steve for reminding everyone how dangerous and deceptive the sound can really be.Always wear the life jacket and the cellphone in plastic is a must.fishing collector wrote:Triehl27, I worked in puget Sound for 20 years on Tugboats that were over 100 feet long and had 3000+ hp. I have rescued more than 30 people on Puget Sound that thought the same as you.
Triehl27 said, "I do have complete confidence in this boat as I have been running it in the Sound for the last month in some heavy wave action and no problems."
Please be careful. That boat was never designed to be used in the sound as a fishing boat. Maybe think about a bigger boat that is safe. Please wear your life jacket and take a cell phone in a plastic bag!
I have been all over the world in boats and one of the roughest seas I have been in was right here in puget sound. The life expectancy of someone in the water here in the sound is less than 20 min.
I don't want you to think I 'm telling you what to do, but I am talking from experience. Think about what you are doing and always go boating safely.
Steve, Chief Engineer, Foss Maritime, Retired.
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RE:Photo of Small Boats with both gas outboard and Electric motors mounted?
I don't run the livingston much outside of harboured waters or close to shore. Anytime I would be crossing big water such as saratoga pass it would be in my 14' Duroboat at a minimum or better the 16' Arima. I grew up on Puget sound in West Seattle and learned the waters in a 10' Livingston in the waters around Langley. I am not fool hardy to attempt large water in the 7.5, but I did catch the 6 o clock winds while I was out and the little livingston handled them fine. Believe me, I have had to recover more the one person who thought that they knew the waters.
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RE:Photo of Small Boats with both gas outboard and Electric motors mounted?
I am glad you understand the problems that can come up in a heartbeat. Have a great time this summer and hope you get some nice fish. Steve :-)
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RE:Photo of Small Boats with both gas outboard and Electric motors mounted?
30lb Endura. If it's windy and blowing the boat around making trolling a pain, no point in being out there...30lb thrust has 3 good trolling speeds and 4/5 are good moving from A to B speeds. Sips the battery too...Coastfishin wrote: Sam, what size is your Minnkota? I have a 40# thrust Endura on mine but it is hard to control in just a little wind. I might need to upsize a bit.
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RE:Photo of Small Boats with both gas outboard and Electric motors mounted?
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my two cents. I ran the same 7.5ft rig as you for a few years, in the same waters of Whidbey. Do not put the dolphin/whatever fin on the outboard, and DO NOT use more than the rated HP. I was in lake union in a 10ft livingston, with a 9.9hp and the fin, and it tore the engine right off the back of the boat!!! I had oars, but it was on the 4th of july, so I had a huge audience. The motor was screwed down hard, but the fin put so much force downward on the motor, and with that weight and hp, it took it right off the boat. Don't you think if those fins were a good idea, the manufacturers would put research and advertising into them? Notice you never see them on 20,000 dollar motors.
On deer lake, I ran my 7.5 with a a 40lb minn kota and it worked like a dream. I also ran it with 5hp. The small 4-5hp motor will push you along great, and will keep the transom weight and stress to a minimum.
The tug boat guy is right, too many people try to pimp out their dingys, and ride in big water, and get hurt. If you want a faster boat, use a bigger boat (you said you do...so that is good).
For mounting the motor, just put the gas motor on the center transom bracket (should be a piece of metal or wood there), and put the minn kota next to it. You might want to consider running a battery cable up to the front of the boat, or you will have several hundred pounds at the aft... You (150-250lbs+battery 30-60lbs+Gas 18-36lbs (3-6 gallons)+motor 50-80lbs+minn kota 25-35lbs) plus tackle, etc....you are looking at 273lbs min or 461lbs. Either way the boat will be pretty full.
my two cents. I ran the same 7.5ft rig as you for a few years, in the same waters of Whidbey. Do not put the dolphin/whatever fin on the outboard, and DO NOT use more than the rated HP. I was in lake union in a 10ft livingston, with a 9.9hp and the fin, and it tore the engine right off the back of the boat!!! I had oars, but it was on the 4th of july, so I had a huge audience. The motor was screwed down hard, but the fin put so much force downward on the motor, and with that weight and hp, it took it right off the boat. Don't you think if those fins were a good idea, the manufacturers would put research and advertising into them? Notice you never see them on 20,000 dollar motors.
On deer lake, I ran my 7.5 with a a 40lb minn kota and it worked like a dream. I also ran it with 5hp. The small 4-5hp motor will push you along great, and will keep the transom weight and stress to a minimum.
The tug boat guy is right, too many people try to pimp out their dingys, and ride in big water, and get hurt. If you want a faster boat, use a bigger boat (you said you do...so that is good).
For mounting the motor, just put the gas motor on the center transom bracket (should be a piece of metal or wood there), and put the minn kota next to it. You might want to consider running a battery cable up to the front of the boat, or you will have several hundred pounds at the aft... You (150-250lbs+battery 30-60lbs+Gas 18-36lbs (3-6 gallons)+motor 50-80lbs+minn kota 25-35lbs) plus tackle, etc....you are looking at 273lbs min or 461lbs. Either way the boat will be pretty full.
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